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Frac Sand Plant
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No. 1
January 10, 2018 |
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Frac Sand Plant Optimization
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Recent additions to the Frac Sand Plant Decisions intelligence system
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Markets
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North American Frac Sand Conference
2019 Exhibitors
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North American Frac Sand Conference 2019 Speakers
Frac Sand Plant Optimization
The objective of
The North American Frac Sand Conference 2019 will be to bring
the frac sand supply chain industry together to evaluate solutions for
overcoming the current market and logistical challenges of supplying frac sand
to well sites. A number of exhibitors and speakers will be addressing the
optimization of the frac sand
plants. The Mcilvaine company is collaborating with the organizers to provide
visitors with optimization
insights. A website entitled Frac Sand
Plant Decisions will be accessible
by all attendees. The conference
will be held at the George Brown Convention Center on February 26-27, 2019. A
list of speakers and exhibitors are
displayed at the end of this issue of Insights
https://www.frac-sand-conference.com/
The manufactured frac sand industry is booming and like other growing industries
is faced with new challenges regarding equipment selection, product quality and
regulations. Locating plants in the
Permian and other arid basins dictates water conservation. Minimization of
silica dust is another environmental driver.
Due to the fact that the raw sand quality varies continually and that sand
plants are required to alter processes to meet
different proppant demands there is
a need for instant application of high level expertise. The way to serve
this demand is explained at
Subject Matter Ultra-Experts become the Foundation
of the CFT Industry
The thesis is that sand plants in the future will be mostly operated and
maintained with remote expertise which is available from around the world 24-7.
There are three types of companies which need to adapt to this new business
environment
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Companies with both the systems and components
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Component companies
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System companies
Andritz is a company which has both the systems and many key components such as
filter presses, belt filters, centrifuges, pumps, dryers, and controls.
Their challenge will to be to select subject matter ultra experts from
within the corporation and allow them to be effective
Hillenbrand is mostly a component company with
frackng sand screens, crushers, pumps, and valves. Their challenge will
be to acquire or collaborate with companies capable of providing the system
expertise
IAC is a systems company. They have a unique dryer and dust filter but they are
mainly buying the wet plant
components.
Their challenge is to extract the component expertise through
collaboration.
The collaborative potential in many corporations is relatively untapped due to
the size and history. Two of the
exhibitors at Frac Sand 2019 are
examples.
HAZEMAG will be displaying its Tertiary Impact Crushers HTI series designed for
the economic tertiary crushing of hard rock.
This company is part of the
Schmidt and Kranz which
also owns Fest (supplying automation) and Maximator who supplies high pressure
valves and pumps. Hazemag is also
partially owned by Sinoma. This leading engineering and design firm in China
supplies complete cement plants and has expanded internationally into multiple
industries. The challenge is for the
various entities in this web of companies to
effectively collaborate.
SWECO will be displaying its
various screens both for frac sands and for resin coating. SWECO is part of
M-I SWACO which in turn is a unit
of Schlumberger. This group has a
great deal of knowledge relative to needed frac sand properties as well as
knowledge about the operation and maintenance of pumps, valves, screens
and other eqiuipment used throughout the oil and gas processes
One of the biggest advantages for a large entity will be to share process
management and data analytics programs and knowledge
Collaboration among divisions is difficult.
However the access to common
decision systems and data eases the problem.
Frac Sand Plant Decisions
is being created to
facilitate this sharing among divisions, collaborating companies as well as the
consultants and end users. Here are
some sample entries
Recent additions to the Frac Sand Plant Decisions intelligence system
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Black Mountain Sand Minimizes Water Use
(Market Dated: 1/2/2019)
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Water Expenditures for Fracking Are Soaring
(Market Dated: 1/2/2019)
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BJM Submersible Slurry Pump for Frac Sand Plants.
(Market Dated: 1/2/2019)
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Midwest Frac Sand Producer Extends Pump Life with KSB
Parts
(Market Dated: 12/31/2018)
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IAC Optimizes Frac Sand Dryer Operation
(Market Dated: 12/31/2018)
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Superior Arland Facility Rotary Dryer Upgraded to 400
tph
(Market Dated: 12/27/2018)
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Rotary and Fluid Bed Dryer Changes at Chieftain Sand
(Market Dated: 12/27/2018)
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Frac Sand Drying Methods: Rotary vs. Fluid Bed
(Market Dated: 12/27/2018)
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IAC Completes 2 frac Sand Plants in Poteet and
Monahans Texas
(Market Dated: 12/27/2018)
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IAC Dual Feed Rotary Dryer Provides the Precise Frac
Sand Parameters Need and Saves Energy
(Market Dated: 12/27/2018)
Markets
Manufactured Frac Sand Transforming the Combust, Flow, and Treat Markets for
Granular Materials
Sand, gravel, crushed stone and sediment production and treatment generate
billions of dollars of annual revenue for suppliers of combust, flow, and treat
(CFT) worldwide. The market in the U.S. is changing considerably due to the
rapid growth in manufactured shale frac sand. CFT expenditures for manufactured
frac sand plants in the U.S. will exceed CFT expenditures for all the other
granular related activities.
The importance of the manufactured frac sand on the U.S. CFT market is shown in
the following chart. The tons of manufactured frac sand is small but the CFT
expense per ton is high. Also the growth rate will be much higher than other
granular categories. As a result most of the revenue growth in 2019 will be in
manufactured sands.
U.S. CFT Expenditures for
Aggregate Production |
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Granular Type |
2018 |
CFT Expense Ratio |
Factor |
% |
Growth Rate % |
Total Growth |
Manufactured Frac Sand |
50 |
20 |
1000 |
45 |
13 |
5.8 |
Other Frac Sand |
50 |
2 |
100 |
4 |
-1 |
0 |
Other Sand And Gravel |
700 |
1 |
700 |
32 |
3 |
1 |
Dredging |
400 |
1 |
400 |
19 |
3 |
0.6 |
Total |
1200 |
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2200 |
100 |
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7.4 |
The total production of frac sands in the U.S. will exceed 100 million tons this
year at an average selling price of over $60 ton creating a $6 billion market.
The revenues for CFT suppliers are much higher per ton of product because much
of the production is shifting to local manufactured sands. So the big cost is in
the processing and not the freight.
This fundamental shift in U.S. frac sand production is away from the Midwest,
home to the highest quality Northern White, to lesser-grade sands which are then
upgraded (manufactured). As a result, Northern White’s market share is expected
to be 43 percent in 2019, down from 75 percent in 2014,
Various granular products require dry or wet processes. Some require both. These
involve some combination of pneumatic or mechanical conveyors, pumps, valves,
scrubbers, fabric filters, precipitators, filter presses, centrifuges, dryers,
classifiers, fans, controls, and instrumentation.
In 2017, 890 million tons of construction sand and gravel valued at more than
$7.7 billion was produced by an estimated 3,600 companies operating 9,400 pits
and 360 sales/distribution yards in 50 States. Leading producing States were, in
order of decreasing tonnage, California, Texas, Minnesota, Michigan, Arizona,
Colorado, Washington, Ohio, Wisconsin, and New York, which together accounted
for about 52% of total output. It is estimated that about 44% of construction
sand and gravel was used as concrete aggregates; 25% for road base and coverings
and road stabilization; 13% as asphaltic concrete aggregates and other
bituminous mixtures; 12% as construction fill; 1% each for concrete products,
such as blocks, bricks, and pipes; plaster and gunite sands; and snow and ice
control; and the remaining 3% for filtration, golf courses, railroad ballast,
roofing granules, and other miscellaneous uses.
Crushed stone, the other major construction aggregate, is often substituted for
natural sand and gravel, especially in more densely populated areas of the
Eastern United States. Crushed stone remains the dominant choice for
construction aggregate use. Increasingly, recycled asphalt and Portland cement
concretes are being substituted for virgin aggregate, although the percentage of
total aggregate supplied by recycled materials remained very small in 2017.
Dredging may or may not involve more than just controls, pumps and valves. In
many cases sediment is contaminated and must be cleaned with filters and
separators. In the U.S. the amount of dredged material is around 200 million m3
or 400 million tons.
Region |
Percent of Global Dredging
Revenue |
Revenue |
Amount Dredged (Million m3) |
Europe |
0.12 |
1,284
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265.29
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Middle East |
0.11 |
1,177
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364.40
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China |
0.29 |
3,103
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960.68
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India |
0.04 |
428
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132.51
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Other Asia |
0.12 |
1,284
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397.52
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Africa |
0.07 |
749
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231.89
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North America |
0.09 |
963
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198.97
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Latin America |
0.10 |
1,070
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331.27
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Australia |
0.06 |
642
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132.64
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TOTAL |
1.00 |
10,700
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3,015.17
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The following market related articles have been extracted from the
Frac Sand Plant Decisions Intelligence System
Frac Sand in the United States—A Geological and
Industry Overview
There is a growing demand from the public, government agencies, and the energy
and mineral resource industries for credible information about frac sand and the
frac sand resource industry. More than 40 United States (U.S.) companies
(enclosed in this overview) are involved in mining, transporting, processing,
and distributing frac sands to a robust market that is fast-growing in the
United States and throughout the world. The need to reduce costs and ensure
continued and consistent supplies of frac sand has resulted in the acquisition
of frac sand mines by several petroleum producers and in collaborative
agreements between several frac sand suppliers and rail lines. A new mineral
rush is underway in the upper Midwest of the United States, especially in
Wisconsin and Minnesota, for deposits of high-quality frac sand that the mining
industry calls “Northern White” sand or “Ottawa” sand. Frac sand is a
specialized type of sand that is added to fracking fluids that are injected into
unconventional oil and gas wells during hydraulic fracturing (fracking or
hydrofracking), a process that enhances petroleum extraction from tight (low
permeability) reservoirs. Frac sand consists of natural sand grains with strict
mineralogical and textural specifications that act as a proppant (keeping
induced fractures open), extending the time of release and the flow rate of
hydrocarbons from fractured rock surfaces in contact with the wellbore. The
current sand mining surge has been driven by the boom in unconventional oil and
gas production that has been largely spurred by advancements in technology
promoting the expansion of hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling over the
past decade. Because of its superior quality, the sand of the upper Midwest not
only supports the majority of domestic oil and gas production, but it also
supplies frac sand to some of Canada’s western shale basins.
Revision Date:
12/20/2018
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Frac Sand, USA
The Early Dates of Shale Fracking in Argentina
The Vaca Muerta has gone “from a great opportunity to a fact.” The fact is that
the giant shale formation is beginning to deliver on high expectations,
according to German Macchi, Argentine country manager for PlusPetrol. The
equipment available for drilling and completions “needs to improve
significantly,” said Javier Gutierrez, global operations manager for Tecpetrol.
If not, “new operators coming into the Vaca Muerta will stretch those resources
to the breaking point.” The cost of drilling a well there is down by 50% or
more, but it is lagging behind the costs of the Permian Basin, where there have
been similar reductions from a lower base cost. “We are in a position within our
company where we are competing for capital,” said James Blaine, project
executive for international projects for ExxonMobil, adding that while the cost
of the Argentine operations run by its XTO division are high compared with the
Permian, “these are early days. Finding a low-cost local source of sand for
proppant is another unsolved problem. YPF reduced that expense from astronomical
levels by building a sand processing plant in the Vaca Muerta. The cost is still
relatively high, though, because the sand mined is on the other side of
Argentina. Astie said YPF is still looking for a sand source nearby that meets
its standards. In comparison, mines in the Permian now provide 25% of the sand
used there
Revision Date:
12/19/2018
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Techpetrol, Techpetrol, ExxonMobil, YPF, Pluspetrol
New Frac Sand Sources for Argentina
Argentina has been relying on frac sand imports coming from China, Brazil, and
the US, which has been extremely costly and makes hydrocarbon production at a
competitive price a challenge. Finding a more affordable sand source closer to
home has been, and continues to remain, a key focus in the country’s shale
development efforts. Fortunately, recent discoveries of sand suitable for
fracking have made domestic supply a reality. As a result, YPF built a frac sand
plant near the Vaca Muerta that mines local sand, reducing costs. And while the
frac sand source is domestic, but still far away enough to not be ideal; for
this reason, the company is still looking for a closer source that will reduce
costs even further. Other domestic sand projects are being sought as well “We
have been supplying frac sand dryers to the industry since hydraulic fracturing
started using frac sand in wells, but they’ve all gone toward the shale
revolution in North America,” says FEECO Process Sales Engineer Shane Le
Capitaine. “Now we’re getting an increasing number of inquiries in Argentina
from producers looking to set up plants. A lot of people are expecting the frac
sand industry to really take off down there and we’re ready for it.”
Revision Date:
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Feeco, Manufactured Sand, Dryers, Argentina
Sand Transport Costs for Argentine Shale
Freight costs are significant: Chubut (Argentina) properties are within 1-day
trucking distance from: • Vaca Muerta (550 mi x $0.16/t/mi) = $90/t by road; •
San Jorge basin (300 mi x $0.16/t/mi) = $50/t by road; • Uruguay properties to
Vaca Muerta: • Container by sea ~1,000 mi (1,500Km): $25/t • Road transport (300
mi x $0.16/t/mi) $50/t • Total transport / tonne $75/t • Comparison: • China -
Puerto Madryn $2,500 - $3,000 per container of 25t = $100/t • ~55 day delivery.
Revision Date:
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SA Silica Corp, Manufactured Sand, Argentina
Currency Problems may Slow Down Development of Vaca
Muerta
When Argentina’s currency plummeted by 50% this year, the oil sector started to
worry about a slowdown in the development of Vaca Muerta, the country’s biggest
shale play. The peso’s crash led the central bank to hike the benchmark interest
rate to 40% from 27.25%, pushing up corporate borrowing rates to as much as 70%.
The result? The 2,000 small and midsize services companies in Vaca Muerta are
facing hard times. “There are not many companies that can handle such a high
financing cost,” said Federico MacDougall, a director at First Corporate Finance
Advisors. The currency crisis, fueled largely by capital flight from emerging
markets after a hike in US interest rates in April, comes as field operators
seek to ramp up the development of Vaca Muerta. Argentina’s Pampa Energia
recently said it will lead a $520 million, five-year pilot project in the play
with ExxonMobil and Total. “There are a ton of opportunities for services
companies because the operators are demanding more and more all the time,”
MacDougall said. “But the service companies don’t have the capital and they are
worried about losing their current contracts and those that are to come.” Many
of these companies borrowed in 2016 as conditions improved in Argentina. The
right-of-center administration of President Mauricio Macri removed the capital,
currency and trade controls of its populist predecessors of 2003 to 2015.
Interest rates fell, funding became abundant and the economy revived. On the
other hand, operators have been trimming their well costs. YPF, the busiest
player in Vaca Muerta, has slashed its development costs per horizontal well to
below $12 million from nearly $30 million in 2015. Most of the operators are
large locals or multinationals with easier access to capital, meaning that,
despite the financial problems, they can still borrow in the single digits. With
the hike in financing costs for services suppliers, however, the progress in
bringing down overall costs to a target of US levels may take longer. How long?
The government has suggested the first signs of economic recovery will be seen
in the fourth quarter, but MacDougall said it could stretch well into 2019, a
presidential election year when investment traditionally is put on hold.
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ExxonMobil, Total, YPF, Investment, Argentina
Fast Growing Frac Sand Market and Shift to Local Sand
Michael Lawson, vice president of investor relations and corporate
communications at U.S. Silica, a producer of sand proppants and industrial
minerals. says “With oil prices hovering around $70 [per barrel], we’re on a run
rate [of frac sand demand] around 110 million tons [this year],” Lawson says.
“We expect to end the year around 120 million tons” Predictions are also made by
CDE and Mclanahan relative to the shift to local brown sand as opposed to
northern white sand which is costly to ship to sites in Texas
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McLanahan Corporation, CDE Resources, Inc., U.S. Silica, Sand
Frac Sand CFT purchasers include oil field operators, conglomerates and
privately held sand companies
There are essentially three categories of companies that supply sand: turnkey
oilfield operators like Halliburton, Schlumberger, and Mammoth Energy Services
that include frac sand as part of their offerings; privately held sand companies
including Vista Sand, Atlas Sand, Black Mountain Sand, Preferred Sands, and
Alpine Silica; and then there are the publicly traded sand companies. US Silica
was the longtime industry leader, with a market cap of $2.1B, and other
companies include Hi-Crush Partners LP (NYSE:
HCLP)
(market cap: $1B), CARBO Ceramics Inc. (NYSE:
CRR)
($272M), Smart Sand Inc. (NASDAQ:
SND)
($227M), and Emerge Energy Services (NYSE:
EMES)
($223.5M). A new frac sand leader
was born out of a merger of Unimin and Fairmount Santrol called Covia
Holdings Corp (NYSE:
CVIA),
with a market cap of $2.27B.
Liquid Treatment Market for Shale Fracturing Sand is Growing Rapidly
The use of centrifuges, filter presses, belt presses, screens, hydrocyclones,
thickeners, pumps, valves, cross flow membranes and treatment chemicals in
manufactured sand plants producing proppants for shale fracturing is growing
rapidly.
The techniques developed in the U.S. to fracture shale for the purpose of
extracting oil and gas are the foundation of the success of the U.S. economy in
the last decade. Developers have continually reduced costs with new techniques
such as horizontal drilling. The
transport of sand with the correct fracking features from Wisconsin and
Minnesota to West Texas has been very costly.
One of the most recent cost reductions is to manufacture high quality
sand from the lower quality resources available in the region.
The West Texas Permian Basin is relatively arid. Freshwater supplies are
limited. The new fracking sand mining plants in the basin add to the large water
demand already caused by the fracking process.
One solution for the fracking sites is the use of treated municipal
wastewater. Another potential is
the treatment and use of brackish water. Nevertheless fresh water will remain
the main source for the foreseeable future. As a result conservation becomes a
high priority. Fracking sand plant
suppliers have risen to this challenge by designing systems which
reuse as much as 98 percent of the process water needed.
Fracking’s water footprint could grow by up to fiftyfold in some regions of the
U.S. by the year 2030. The U.S. demand for water management services associated
with the acquisition, transport, transfer, storage, flowback, treatment and
disposal of water increased by nearly 50 percent over the last year at a cost of
nearly $20 billion. Water management spending for hydraulic fracturing services
in the U.S. is expected to total $150 billion over the next decade.
Sand mining plants are tasked with
minimizing water use.
There were at least five sand mines opened in the Permian Basin by Hi-Crush,
Black Mountain Sand and U.S. Silica in 2018 with a proppant supply of 35 billion
pounds per year. Many more mines are expected to be opened soon.
These mining plants can be designed to reuse nearly all the water with
technology such as filter presses instead of settling ponds. Various treatment
chemicals such as flocculants can result in very dry waste solids and little
water loss.
Black Mountain Sand provides an example of how water use can be minimized at its
Permian Basin mines.
Instead of routing the used, turbid water into settling ponds, the system
captures it in a settling tank where solids are concentrated into a mud
containing anywhere from 25 to 35 percent solids. Next, this mud is pumped at
high pressures into filter press membranes where filter press technology
squeezes water out of the solids. Thus, instead of losing water to evaporation
and ground seepage, the system feeds
this recovered water back into the holding tanks to be used again and again. In
addition, the wet sand is stored in a
specially-designed decant building while awaiting final processing in the
dryers. This step helps prevent water evaporation while promoting efficient
draining; as water drains from the sand, that water is funneled through a
drainage system in the floor directly back into the holding tanks. All told,
Black Mountain Sand recycles and reuses up to 98 percent of the water used in
its operations.
The challenge for designers of these sand plants is that both the parameters of
the incoming sand and the proppant end use change continually.
The control system and each of the CFT components
has to be integrated with the changing
production needs.
Manufactured Frac Sand Plant Courtesy of IAC
Bob Carter, president of IAC, a supplier of sand plants for the region, was
asked how his company addressed the
challenge of process variations.
Bob explained, “IAC introduced the concept of optimizing a plant performance
including components at every point in
time based on the various control points of a plant. A given plant may have
multiple control points that become a limiting factor to the amount of feed that
can be sustained. A plant that is designed to run at 250 TPH at a given feed
gradation may be limited to 125 TPH with heavy clays, 205 TPH with excess fines
or 180 TPH with heavy 40/70. Modeling the effect of each control point allows
for the optimal sustained feed rate to be identified for a given area of the
mine or mine blend ratio. The optimization of the plant prevents unplanned
shutdowns and minimizes the amount of water wasted due to not operating the wet
plant in its optimal state. It is just like a car, if you push it to high speeds
up hill, the miles per gallon of the vehicle drops. If you run a wet plant
inefficiently based on its mine reserve, you waste more water than is required.”
The market for specific CFT
components for manufactured frac sand for the U.S., Argentina, China and other
countries is shown at
N008
Scrubber/Adsorber/Biofilter World Markets
N021
World Fabric Filter and Element Market
N031
Industrial IOT and Remote O&M
N028
Industrial Valves: World Market
N024
Cartridge Filters: World Market
N006
Liquid Filtration and Media World Markets
N005
Sedimentation and Centrifugation World Markets
N026
Water and Wastewater Treatment Chemicals: World Market
North American Frac Sand 2019 Exhibitors
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Tarmac International, Inc.
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SWECO
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Turnkey Processing Solutions
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Ecofab Covers International Inc.
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Kahler Automation
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Industrial Accessories Company
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Hazemag
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Warrior Mfg L.L.C.
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Market & Johnson
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AIRIS Wellsite Services
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Technos, Inc.
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Elgin Separation Solutions
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MoistTech Corp.
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Site Solar
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ASM Engineering Consultants
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Cintasa Americas
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Vertical Software Inc.
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ASI Industrial Inc
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Louisville Dryer Co
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AGI Industrial
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Sinto
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Derrick Corporation
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Timpte, Inc.
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Hayes & Stolz Ind. Mfg. Co., LLC
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RTD Enterprises
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W.S. Tyler
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CDE Global Inc.
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ShaleApps
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TMT Solutions
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Shuttlewagon
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Agra Industries
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Gerard Daniel Worldwide, Inc.
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Sierra Dust Control, LLC
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Dragon Products
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J&H Equipment, Inc
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Kennametal, Inc.
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Advantage Industrial Systems
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Sensortech Systems, Inc.
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Astec, Inc
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RRIG Water Solutions
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Fontaine Trailer Company
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EnDeCo Engineers, Inc.
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Tinsley Company
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Presto Geosystems
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Detechtion Technologies
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Maxi-Lift, Inc
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Catapult
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Lonquist Frac Sand Services
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Preferred Process Solutions
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ROMCO Equipment Co.
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S-M Enterprises Inc.
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TechStar
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Terex Washing Systems
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Jingkun Chemistry Company
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Industrial Project Solutions
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Seed Technologies Corp
North American Frac Sand 2019
Speakers
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Steve Sashihara
Princeton Consultants
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John Allegretti
Arrows Up, Inc
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Brandon Hodges
TMW Systems Inc
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John Hinesley
Meritor Heavy Vehicle Systems LLC
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Steve Robins
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Pressure Systems International
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Mike Flinn
Solaris Oilfield
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Christopher Robart
IHS Energy
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Adam Borden
Gulf Winds International
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Jeff Kralowetz
Argus Media Inc
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Todd Bush
Energent Group
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Tony Little
Fortress Proppants
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Tim Leshchyshyn
Frac Knowledge
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David Boardman
Stockpile Reports
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Tim Sheehan
Eriez Flotation
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Chris Favors
Maalt LP
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Bob Carter
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IAC